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English vs. American Spelling

This discussion was begun on Talk:Social Conflict and then moved here by Democritus because I believe this is of interest to the entire community of wiki editors

I have reverted the "spelling correction". I think this whole project will work more smoothly if everyone treats British and American spellings as equally valid alternatives.

--Bazzalisk 01:27, 15 October 2007 (PDT)

Democritus: I agree, where general talk is concerned but when it comes to rules-terms such as the Ability name (Socialize) or the Virtue (Valor) I think using the "official" spelling, as used by White Wolf (obviously american) is the one-true-way(tm)
Strangelooper Unless the word is being used as a link, I don't see why it matters if it has the English or American spelling. Is there a compelling reason to standardize spelling based on the way that the wiki works, other than mere consistency? Strangelooper 07:11, 16 October 2007 (PDT)

I made one.

PNG-version http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/195/fixaltedlogosmallqo5.png

JPG-Version http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2449/fixaltedlogosmallmg8.jpg

Democritus

I like it. --MavrikGandalf

Errata page vs multi-functional

Democritus: So far the Template:Errata template and the others all use the first parameter to determine the page the errata applies to. This comes from the offficial Errata, which is organized along this line. However as can be seen on the Manual of Exalted Power: Sidereals, BrianSniffen makes good use of the bold-first parameter to display Charm name. Kinda odd with the "p. " in front.

Now I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to remove the "p. " from the template and instead add it to the parameters whenever the template is called. This requires some edits but allows us to substitute the page for a charm name without problems. I think this is a good idea. Anyone else have an opinion on this?

I agree that adding the "p." to the parameters is a good idea, but I really like the format of "On page X, rule Y is broke, and here's how to fix it." I wonder if it would do well to instead shift his houserulings over to the "On page X" style. It looks like he's organized his fixes according to their order in the book, but even if this were Core 2E where I know the Charm list front-to-back, I'd still prefer to have included specific page numbers, just for ease of on-the-spot checking. *deep breath* Wow, long sentence.
In short: I second the shift from template to parameter, and move to veto the lack of a page number from any ruling. However, if the community rules against me, no biggie. Just preference. :-)
--MavrikGandalf 18:44, 16 October 2007 (PDT)
Democritus: Modified the templates and updated the pages. If anyone finds some residual errors, feel free to append "p. " before the numbers where necessary.
Democritus: Thinking about this some more I was wondering if we don't need both: a "page number" and a "topic" parameter, the latter being optional.
It would be slightly "more correct" to just avoid positional arguments altogether and use named parameters instead. This would essentially force authors to list the data in a "typed" way. For example, they'd have to say "page=x" and "topic=y". Once the invocation of the template is done this way, it frees you to totally change how the template renders, without worrying about who is passing which argument in what position. -- Wordman 17:05, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Standardized and easy to find "Used by" bar for houserules

I saw that on the Second Edition Solar Anima Powers page, there is a sentence at the end of each version that reads "This version has been used by (username) and (username)".

This is a good idea to include on pages with houserules or alternate interpretations of rules, so that users can voice their support.

Does anyone think that it might be worth it to create some sort of standard 'Used by' bar or coloured background - type thing (kind of like the backgrounds used for distinguishing houserules from errata), so that it's easy to find? The black on white text kind of melds into the rest of the text.

More importantly, does anyone know *how* to create such a thing? Strangelooper 14:39, 16 October 2007 (PDT)

Let's see if this works:

Rule used by: MavrikGandalf, Strangelooper

What do you think? --MavrikGandalf 18:59, 16 October 2007 (PDT)

Looks good to me! I like that the colour is the 'houserule' colour. Ten users in the list should be sufficient. Strangelooper 06:50, 17 October 2007 (PDT)
Democritus: I don't think different parameters are neccesasry. One with adding people should be enough. "{{UsedBy|[[User:MavrikGandalf|MavrikGandalf]], [[User:Strangelooper|Strangelooper]]...}}"
Democritus: Actually I went ahead and modified it as above with one single parameter line. i think that this is by far sufficient. Either way I've also colored the bar grey to differentiate it from the new CreatedBy template.
Rule created by: Someone
Rule used by: Some other people

Charm houserules format

I've been thinking about how I would like to use this wiki as a resource for my own game. I'd like to be able to link to specific houserules, and particularly to specific houseruled versions of various charms. It would be best if my players aren't confronted with all of the other versions, or have to hunt through a long list of charms to find the one that I am using.

So, I'd like to suggest that each version of each Charm should get its very own page on this wiki. ie on the Solar Charms page, under the subheading Mastery of Small Manners put wikilinks to Strangelooper's version of MoSM page, Bazzalisk's version of MoSM page, JonChung's version of MoSM page etc. I have no idea if increasing the number of pages in this way would be a problem for management of the wiki, storage space etc - but if not, it would make linking to particular versions much, much easier.

Furthermore, there are some really nice templates available for charms, such as this one. We could suggest using that or any better ones for houseruled charms, possibly using the houserule colour in the title of the charm.

Thoughts?

Actually there are lots of useful Templates for things other than charms here (included for reference) Strangelooper 09:56, 24 October 2007 (PDT)

I wouldn't suggest a different page for each charm, as I like the discussion sparked by having everyone's ideas out in the open. The "Created by" and "Used by" do the job you seem to want the new pages to do instead. If you don't want your players to view the other changes (to stem the "But that change is better!?" talk,) you could do as I'm going to do: Compile everything in a Houserules three-rign binder that you add to during the course of the game. That way, the changes are available for anyone at any given moment.
I do like adding the Charm Templates, and I know we could use them over in the Kata System. To move them over, we might have to also move some other templates from the Official Wiki that are inherited in the Charm Templates. Shall I move what I must? --MavrikGandalf 12:28, 24 October 2007 (PDT)
What about something like THIS, where the charms are all detailed on one page, but there are links to individual charm pages as well? (They're there, underneath the coloured box of charm parameters.) I agree that a printout would work, but my players like to click links. Also, with individual pages then it will be easier to re-organize the various charm revisions (ie list by author, list by Ability, list by Exalt type etc.) should anyone want to. We should come up with a standard pagename convention for the individual charm names though: how about CHARMNAME-AUTHOR ie "Mastery_of_Small_Manners-Strangelooper"?
I'll have a go at putting my social conflict charms in that format, and hopefully others will follow suit. Yup, we'll have to copy over a bunch of other Templates I'm sure.
Strangelooper 14:52, 24 October 2007 (PDT)
Aigh! I copied all of the Templates over, but the Clinc template is giving me trouble. It's not working like it does on the Snake Style page linked to above. Mine seems to be trying to link to a Template page instead of putting up the information from the normal page with the charm on it. Also, the "click (link) to link to the charm" under the coloured box does not actually provide a clickable link here. It might have something to do with the urls...I notice that here, the urls are
"fixalted.bazzalisk.org/index.php?title=PAGENAME",
whereas on the Exalted wiki the urls read
"wiki.white-wolf.com/exalted/index.php/PAGENAME".
Could that be messing up the Clinc and Charm templates from the Exalted Wiki?
Strangelooper 16:27, 24 October 2007 (PDT)
Got it working, though not exactly as in the official wiki. I had to remove the format=wiki paramater from the clinc template. Now it posts the charm as it appears on a Template:Charms:charmname page, rather than on the Charms:charmname page...but it works! See Strangelooper's Solar Charm revisions. I'm reluctant to create all of the charm pages as templates though. Fixalted seems to have slowed down recently - I'm hoping it's not due to all the templates I brought over...?
I've tried to find info on the format=wiki parameter, but I'm coming up blank so far. Is it something that is defined somewhere in the official wiki and we just need to define it here? That would save us from having to use a Template page for each revised charm. Where would we go on Fixalted to define such things? Help! :)
Strangelooper 06:59, 25 October 2007 (PDT)
Never mind, found a workaround: the 'transclusion' thing. You can type {{:PAGENAME}} and that pastes the content of PAGENAME. Not sure why they bothered with the whole clinc template, unless it's for some higher level listing function.
So, I suggest we list each of our charm revisions separately on a page called "Charms:CHARMNAME modified by USERNAME" using the 2esolcharm etc. templates. Then a page of your own custom charms, or of all Mastery of Small Manners revisions, is easy to construct with the transclusion format {{:PAGENAME}}
Sound good? Strangelooper 07:43, 25 October 2007 (PDT)

Wiki-linking

Would it be possible to set up Fixalted for wiki-linking? At least to the white-wolf exalted wiki. It looks pretty straightforward, but I believe that an admin of this site would have to set it up.

Either a) use the command line of MySQL and enter: INSERT INTO interwiki SET iw_prefix='(WWExalted)', iw_url='http://wiki.white-wolf.com/exalted/index.php/$1', iw_local=1, iw_trans=0 ;

Or b)

i) export the database table "interwiki",
ii)add the following line to the end of it:
('WWExalted', 'http://wiki.white-wolf.com/exalted/index.php/$1', 1, 0);
iii) import the database table "interwiki"

Source for the how-to

Then we can link directly to, say, the "Charms" page of the White Wolf Exalted Wiki by simply typing: [[WWExalted:Charms|]]

The prefix doesn't have to be "WWExalted"; it would be easier if it was shorter, eg "WW".

This would make the stuff I'm doing with Charms a *lot* easier - instead of having to copy over every charm, I could just link to the WW site or transclude the pages into Fixalted.

...just askin'... :) :) :) Strangelooper 17:30, 26 October 2007 (PDT)

Is now done. --Bazzalisk 12:41, 20 March 2008 (PDT)

Could you provide a sample link? The prefixes mentioned in the message above don't seem to work. While you're at it, could you add an entry for the unoffical wiki as well? The pattern for that one is http://exalted.xi.co.nz/wiki/wiki.pl?$1. -- Wordman 16:54, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Three wikis?

It's probably been asked before, but I'm curious. Why a third wiki? We already have the (terrible) WW wiki, as well as the (huge) xywiki. Why a third? They all seem to serve the same purpose. - LeumasWhite 02:46, 23 March 2008 (PDT) (who appears to have created two topics by accident. apologies.)

The goals are actually a little different. Fixalted isn't a general Exalted wiki, it exists purely for the purpose of fixing what is wrong with the system and making up for White-wolf's lack of decent errata. --Bazzalisk 12:42, 20 March 2008 (PDT)

Yeah, but there's already sections for other versions of the setting and system. I mean, I know people aren't going to abandon their shiny new site now, I was just curious about the original reason for not making it a project on another wiki. - LeumasWhite 02:46, 23 March 2008 (PDT)

The original reason was that we wanted the level of structural control which wouldn't be available on the official white-wolf wiki, and we felt that the wiki software used on the existing fan wiki wasn't as good as Mediawiki. --Bazzalisk 02:48, 23 March 2008 (PDT)

Table styles

A few versions ago, the MediaWiki changed the way it handled CSS from using static page to using some "special" wiki pages. This allows admin users to make minor CSS changes without needing write access to the file system of the server itself. The drawback is that, in some cases, there is a manual step to copy some default information into these pages. I have now done this, copying the content of MediaWiki's default common.css to MediaWiki:Common.css‎ and MediaWiki's short list of "overrides" in the monobook skin to MediaWiki:Monobook.css.

Hopefully, you won't actually notice a difference, but you might see some minor appearance changes. If you see that something changed for the worse, mention it here.

So, if it doesn't change anything why bother doing this? The reason is that it adds some stuff. Most useful among these are some styles that can be applied to tables. Here is an example of a default table:

Training time (hours)
Science Cost Quick Average Long
2 40 200 400
●● 3 60 300 600
●●● 6 120 600 1,200
●●●● 10 200 1,000 2,000
●●●●● 17 340 1,700 3,400

Here is the exact same table, but with the new "wikitable" style applied to it:

Training time (hours)
Science Cost Quick Average Long
2 40 200 400
●● 3 60 300 600
●●● 6 120 600 1,200
●●●● 10 200 1,000 2,000
●●●●● 17 340 1,700 3,400

View the source of this page to see how this works. The Sciences pages also uses this style extensively. Another style is the "datatable" style:

Training time (hours)
Science Cost Quick Average Long
2 40 200 400
●● 3 60 300 600
●●● 6 120 600 1,200
●●●● 10 200 1,000 2,000
●●●●● 17 340 1,700 3,400

These styles come from MediaWiki:Common.css, meaning that skin styles can override them, if needed. If you have questions on any of this, ask them here.

- Wordman 18:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Looks pretty sweet. Are there any other styles available that we could use here? -MavrikGandalf 20:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Most of the other styles are fairly invisible; however, the benefit of they way they changed things is that editing something like Common.css‎ no longer requires access to the server's file system. So, for example, I could add styles if desired. You have anything you want, in particular? - Wordman 15:39, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Not any that I had in mind. I just like knowing what's available. Thanks for this up. -MavrikGandalf 16:36, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Anti-spam measures

I notice in the history a lot of spam users. Any thoughts on how to stop them from happening? In my own wiki, the answer was fairly simple: I don't let other people sign up. It's "invitation only". This wiki is more public, but such an approach could still work, so long as the process by which someone gets "invited" is fairly obvious and easy. (That is, a real human could just read instructions and sign up in some alternative way.) That might involve e-mail and a manual process, though. How many new legitimate users does this site get a week?

Alternatively, there are also some plugins that could be installed, but I've never used them.

Wordman 16:40, 23 June 2009 (UTC)